Twilight Series Talk

My 3 year old son actually helped me come up with my answer. I was cleaning his room and putting his books on his shelve and he handed me a book and asked me to read it to him. It was Peter Pan. Instantly a light went off in my head. Peter was the boy that never grows up and Wendy was the girl that would always grow old. I suddenly became worried that Bella COULD be just like Wendy and that Breaking Dawn is paralleled to a classic children's story. Bella has a dream that she is looking at her grandma...but really she is looking in a mirror....then standing next to her....is her version of Peter Pan....Edward Cullen.



Bella has a deep intuition and her dreams seem to be glimpses of her reality. Could she suffer the same fate as Wendy? Will she not be changed after all? Now before I get made fun of for comparing Breaking Dawn to a children's book, listen to this...



(I am kinda paraphrasing right here) SM mentioned in her opening chapter of Breaking Dawn "Childhood is the kingdom where nobody dies". To me this screams never never land. As an English major, could SM have done her research and paralleled the Millay poem and Peter Pan into Breaking Dawn? I don't know.....It seems a little out there but a definate possibility.

I hope I am not overshooting my answer here but I just had to respond. Kassie and Kallie could you PLEASE tell me your thoughts on this?!?!

I'm not sure if this has been explored before, but the Twilight series seems very reminiscent to Natalie Babbit's Tuck Everlasting and I think it could be the other book that correlates with Breaking Dawn.

For those who are not familiar here is Tuck Everlasting in a nutshell:
Tuck Everlasting is a novel about a a young girl, Winnie, who acquaints herself with the Tuck family. The members of this family have become immortal from drinking from an enchanted spring. Winnie, who falls in love with the youngest son Jessie, has to make the decision whether or not to drink from the spring and become part of the Tuck family forever. In the end, she decides to leave the family in order to enjoy a normal human life.
Tuck Everlasting visits the concept of living forever, and why it may not be as beneficial as it appears at first glance.

Could it be this is the other story Stephanie Meyer was referring to?

I can see Bella's moral decision(about whether to go through with becoming a vampire) reflected in Winnie's complications in drinking from the spring. Even though Bella's decision has been revisited many times throughout the series, I still think there is a possibility she may re-think becoming a vampire.

Though I love Bella and Edward and sincerely want her to join the Cullens, I find a startling connection between these two love stories.
If this story was played out through Breaking Dawn, Bella would rethink her decision about joining the Cullen family and live the rest of her life as a human.
EDIT: And as irrevocably_intoxicating pointed out, in the end Edward would visit Bella's grave.
I hate this connection, but I feel like I should share it.

By the way, I just read the Twilight series a couple of weeks ago and completely fell in love with it! I enjoy your podcast and I hope you keep up the good work!
Thanks!

oh mi god. I totally agree with both of those. Good job!

I would hope it paralells with something more along the lines of a Jane austen novel again. Where the true love is united or re-united. I don't know which book it could be, possibly persuasion, where she is outcast from the rest of her family, the man she turned down long ago, the new love (jacob) and ends up with the old love (Edward). I would love to see a happy ending.

I think I'll have to have a girly foot-stomping fit like Bella did if the book doesn't end well, and then I'll have to burn it. No keeping that one. And for that matter, I'll burn the others, except Twilight.

Happy, remember? Rip out the part about James and it is all goooooood.

i was actually going to say TUCK EVERLASATING. i was watching the trailer when my 10 year old cousin walked in and asked me to play it again, so i did and she goes "I just read that book for school."

and i go, "you read twilight, the 500 page novel with romance-y and vampire scary stuff in FOURTH GRADE?"

and she said, "no, tuck everlasting."


so i think that it may not be tuck everlasting, but there is definite similarities to twilight (not any other book).

but TE ends with the Tucks coming back through town and finding her grave. so maybe that'll be like the cullens (oh man i hope not)


NOW FOR MY THEORY!!!!!

maybe a book more similar to MSND. but i can't think of anything with love potions....OME except Tristan and Isolde. but that is WAY to much like R&J and we already had that.

but here was a llove potion in T&I, and i don't think it was Isolde, but Tristan that had the two loves, with the Irish Isolde and the Isolde of the White Hands.

no.....there was the King that Isolde was won for. and then Tristan who she fell in love with through the potion...and even though she was with the king she was still inlove with Tristan secretly and ended up with Tristan in the end because i'm almost postive the king dies. and she was really unhappy with the King.

BUT comparing that to the cover Isolde would be the queen, making Bella the queen.

but would her Tristan be Jake or Edward? or would one be the King?


oh man....this is good. read the book. theres actually several books. but i read one that was a trilogy. the movie with the cutie in it was thourghly horrible. so don't watch it....

hmmm. i have read tuck everlasting and it does connect at times to what breaking dawn may be, but i think that stephenie will use another old classic to base breaking dawn off of. she's done it for each book, why stop now? i don't know. TE is a good theory though.

I heard a very disturbing thing the other day.

I don't remember where i heard it (could it have been this twilight series theories.com??? i dont think so...)

But anyway, what i heard is that Stephenie Meyer let slip on a book tour somewhere in Europe that Breaking Dawn would be based on A MIDSUMMER NIGHT'S DREAM by Shakespeare.

This, of course, god me extreeeemely worried.

For those who don't know, the basic story line of

a Midsummer Night's Dream

(or at least, the part that worries me) is that everyone falls in love with the wrong person.

Very worrisome.

My only (slight) consolation is that everything turns out fine at the end, as it is a comedy and not a tragedy like

Romeo and Juliet

.
But then, as New Moon (i fall into the category of New Moon/R&J) didn't end in tragedy the way R&J did, who knows?

Yes, very worrisome indeedy.

OH I FORGOT TO ADD THAT IN tristan&isolde: (read my frist post first!)

-Isolde goes off on her own and is living in a Leper's den thinking that Tristan is dead (she's not a leper thought)

-when he comes back (which he does) his appearance still has youth, like he hasn't aged much. (I'm guessing that they're around like 20 when they fall in love and 50ish at the end of the book)

-Isolde looks old and has aged a lot.

(but this was just in the version I read and there are a more than a few versions of this story)

NOW RELATED TO BREAKING DAWN:
so i'm thinking that maybe Bella will go with Jacob (NO NO NO NO NO!!!!) and then Jake will die or something or imprint and she'll be like 25ish and Eddie will come back and they'll live happily ever after.

oh, ok, nvm

i did hear about the whole a midsummer night's dream thing on twilightseriestheories.com

umm okay yeah no kidding its based on a midsummer night's dream! do you listen to TST podcasts at all?! haha they had a whole episode about it! and my understanding was that everyone ended up with the RIGHT people, it just took a lot of confusion to get there.

oh, yeah, dont worry i listen to the podcasts, but i just started so im trying to catch up on a bunch of them, and i dont have enough time to listen to all of them so far....but dont worry, im going on a plane thursday so by then i'l be all caught up!

i think the whole tuck everlasting thing could be true but in the end i doubt that edward would visit bellas grave simply on the fact that he'd find a way to die (or whatever vampires do) to be with bella as soon as she died or at least not exist anymore since he would feel life had meaning anymore without her in it..

but then again new moon correlated with romeo and juliet so whatever book it is is probly just loosely correlated to what SM wrote bc i doubt she would use an enired plot theme or idea for the book because that wouldnt be very original so im really not too worried about what book it is only what actually happens!

i can totally see the Tuck Everlasting or Peter Pan thing, especially because of the BD quote thing referring to childhood and the kingdom of childhood where nobody dies, that thing.
BUT
has anyone noticed that the books don't always follow the inspirational books?
in New Moon, that's supposed to be SIMILAR to Romeo and Juliet, right? well, in Romeo & Juliet, they both die; in New Moon, bella and edward live!!!!
In Eclipse, Heathcliff and Catherine don't end up together, well, Catherine marries Edgar and Heathcliff gets all mean, and Catherine dies and Heathcliff stays mean. But in eclipse, Bella chooses Edward... and isn't edward supposed to be Heathcliff?? cuz he says something like 'heathcliff has his moments too' in one of the books... anyway, this ends differently than Wuthering Heights.
SO, how much doese MSND and mystery book influence/inspire Breaking Dawn?
maybe they will end differently??

back to the peter pan/tuck everlasting ideas-- i totally see it, but wendy and peter weren't really in love, so wendy's decision wasn't the same at all. and Winnie and Jesse from Tuck Everlasting, i don't think their relationship was quite as deep as Bella and Edward's. I mean, yes they loved eachother, but i don't think they were quite as mature and deeply, truly in love like Bella and Edward. I kinda think it would almost be more selfish for Bella to choose life over her love. i mean, if she truly loves him, she would give up ANYTHING for him, including life, right? plus, she doesnt even really want to get older that badly; she isn't like rosalie and esme with a strong desire to be a mom, and she isn't a big fan of being an old lady...

i'm just sayin. i want her to be with edward forever, but unfortuately the peter pan and tuck everlasting ideas do make sense, but i'm really trying to logically find a way for her to be a vampire and have it be more reasonable than having her stay a human and die and not be with edward forever in love.

IDEA!
ok, so ya know how BD is loosely based of MSND and another book, well, i was rereading twilight and it's bella's first day at forks high and she is reading her class literature reading list and on it is Bronte, Shakespeare, Chaucer, and Faulkner.
SO, since Bronte is wuthering heights, and shakespeare is romeo & juliet, maybe the mystery book of MSND is by Chaucer or Faulkner...
i don't know these authors, i've heard of them but don't know much about them or their major works. anybody have any ideas? or think this could possibly have an influence on BD?